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		<title>By: Open Access Publishing in Philosophy &#124; thinkingshop.com - The idea space</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Access Publishing in Philosophy &#124; thinkingshop.com - The idea space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in their research in myriad ways.  For a detailed argument in this direction see the following Hackthestate blog entry. It seems odd that philosophy, usually a pioneer in new ideas, is staunchly reluctant to consider [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in their research in myriad ways.  For a detailed argument in this direction see the following Hackthestate blog entry. It seems odd that philosophy, usually a pioneer in new ideas, is staunchly reluctant to consider [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#124; darkmatter Journal</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#124; darkmatter Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#171; anti-babel &#8211; sanjay sharma</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#171; anti-babel &#8211; sanjay sharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OA journals discussion &#171; Hyper tiling</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>OA journals discussion &#171; Hyper tiling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://tomkow.typepad.com/tomkowcom/2008/06/open-resource-p.html http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://tomkow.typepad.com/tomkowcom/2008/06/open-resource-p.html" rel="nofollow">http://tomkow.typepad.com/tomkowcom/2008/06/open-resource-p.html</a> <a href="http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/" rel="nofollow">http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mietchen</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mietchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just to let you know that I am writing up a &lt;a href=&quot;http://ways.org/en/blogs/2009/sep/14/invitation_to_an_experiment_collaborative_writing_of_a_blog_post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; on a related topic, in a collaborative way that may be of interest to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just to let you know that I am writing up a <a href="http://ways.org/en/blogs/2009/sep/14/invitation_to_an_experiment_collaborative_writing_of_a_blog_post" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> on a related topic, in a collaborative way that may be of interest to you.</p>
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		<title>By: NuVatsia &#8250; Open-process journals</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>NuVatsia &#8250; Open-process journals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting proposal for academic journals, going beyond the Open Access paradigm:   The suggestion is not to open the processes in random [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interesting proposal for academic journals, going beyond the Open Access paradigm:   The suggestion is not to open the processes in random [...]</p>
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		<title>By: toniprug</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>toniprug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>strange, your last set of comments was caught by the spam filter. i just approved it. had no time to look in depth at your comments, will do it in few days time. i&#039;m in the middle of finishing off a 14000 words text which i couldn&#039;t write on the blog - it&#039;s too complex, politically provocative, and it took me months to get my head around it. i read piles of books and journal papers in the process of wrestling with the ideas from the text. It&#039;s an example, at least for me personally, that i can do everything on the blog in the open. but i would love to go through an entirely open peer reviewing process once i submit it to the journal for which it is written - which won&#039;t be the case, that option is available. Still, i&#039;ll ask and argue for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strange, your last set of comments was caught by the spam filter. i just approved it. had no time to look in depth at your comments, will do it in few days time. i&#8217;m in the middle of finishing off a 14000 words text which i couldn&#8217;t write on the blog &#8211; it&#8217;s too complex, politically provocative, and it took me months to get my head around it. i read piles of books and journal papers in the process of wrestling with the ideas from the text. It&#8217;s an example, at least for me personally, that i can do everything on the blog in the open. but i would love to go through an entirely open peer reviewing process once i submit it to the journal for which it is written &#8211; which won&#8217;t be the case, that option is available. Still, i&#8217;ll ask and argue for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mietchen</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mietchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My next set of comments did not go through here, so I posted it &lt;a href=&quot;http://ways.org/en/blogs/2009/sep/10/openprocess_academic_publishing_some_more_comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on my blog&lt;/a&gt;. Still not finished the whole thing yet, so more comments to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My next set of comments did not go through here, so I posted it <a href="http://ways.org/en/blogs/2009/sep/10/openprocess_academic_publishing_some_more_comments" rel="nofollow">on my blog</a>. Still not finished the whole thing yet, so more comments to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mietchen</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mietchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some further comments:  &lt;strong&gt;Content&lt;/strong&gt;  -Good framing of the discussion, though at places lacking in references-On &quot;discussions in comments&quot;, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://ff.im/3KLIc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plos.org/cms/node/460&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.-If you do not comment in detail on the &quot;different discursive universe&quot;, you might as well shorten or delete that phrase.-Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (1) --A good reference on the Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics model is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/peerreview/debate/nature04988.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.-Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (3) --Plagiarism detection already works quite well now, some tools are listed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wame.org/wame-listserve-discussions/plagiarism-detection-software&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. -Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (4) --On speeding up the publication process, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://knol.google.com/k/plos/plos-currents-influenza/28qm4w0q65e4w/1%23#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://fundscience.org/blog/2009/08/science-publishing-on-the-fast-lane-plus-optionally-in-journals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my comment&lt;/a&gt;). -Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (5) --The readership and even reputation of open-process publishers may increase, but &quot;journals&quot; in the sense we know them &lt;a href=&quot;http://bjoern.brembs.net/news.php?item.540.11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;may&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/is-scientific-publishing-about-to-be-disrupted/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;well&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physorg.com/news166943362.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cease to exist&lt;/a&gt; (in fact, already now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plosmedicine.org/annotation/listThread.action;jsessionid=4818AE1F07198DBA3C7EADDA6A53B7F7?inReplyTo=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2Fb70a4689-cf09-4db6-a97b-8608b87e629e&amp;root=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2Fb70a4689-cf09-4db6-a97b-8608b87e629e&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;there is but one journal — the scientific literature&lt;/a&gt;), since the open-process handling of submissions will naturally focus on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myplick.com/view/cf8qFak4Ymv/Article-Level-Metrics-at-PLoS-and-beyond&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article level&lt;/a&gt; (as long as these exist) and later perhaps on individual submissions to the global knowledge system, and be this a single wiki edit (e.g. via tools like &lt;a href=&quot;http://wikitrust.soe.ucsc.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WikiTrust&lt;/a&gt;). On incremental publishing, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/incremental-and-continuous-a-new-paradigm-for-scientific-publishing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/micropublication-and-open-source-research/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://dmm.biologists.org/content/2/5-6/201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. -Internal benefits for journals, general --given my reservations on the last point, it may be worth considering to exchange the term &quot;journal&quot; for something else in this section (I used &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.euroscience.org/en/blog/welcome-to-the-euroscientist-246/what-would-science-look-like-if-it-were-invented-today,5061.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;public research environment&lt;/a&gt;&quot;), which will obviously affect other aspects of the phrasing -Internal benefits for journals, (1)--on the feedback loop between productivity and recognition, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.1740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  -Internal benefits for journals, (4) --Karma system in use at Slashdot may be relevant for this section, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.-Modular process: stages and states--These stages fit well with text-based disciplines, but there may be more components (overview &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Components_of_the_scientific_method&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;strong&gt;Typos and phrasing&lt;/strong&gt; -production work . Still,-John Wilibanks -what i think ought to done-publish and perish devaluing model. Model-argument even more focused that those in an average 8000 paper are-on whose work the organization relies on -in-dept texts(yes, I would like to subscribe)-or at to have</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some further comments:  <strong>Content</strong>  -Good framing of the discussion, though at places lacking in references-On &#8220;discussions in comments&#8221;, see <a href="http://ff.im/3KLIc" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.plos.org/cms/node/460" rel="nofollow">here</a>.-If you do not comment in detail on the &#8220;different discursive universe&#8221;, you might as well shorten or delete that phrase.-Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (1) &#8211;A good reference on the Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics model is <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/peerreview/debate/nature04988.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.-Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (3) &#8211;Plagiarism detection already works quite well now, some tools are listed <a href="http://www.wame.org/wame-listserve-discussions/plagiarism-detection-software" rel="nofollow">here</a>. -Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (4) &#8211;On speeding up the publication process, see <a href="http://knol.google.com/k/plos/plos-currents-influenza/28qm4w0q65e4w/1%23#" rel="nofollow">here</a> (<a href="http://fundscience.org/blog/2009/08/science-publishing-on-the-fast-lane-plus-optionally-in-journals/" rel="nofollow">my comment</a>). -Open-process publishing and reviewing advantages, (5) &#8211;The readership and even reputation of open-process publishers may increase, but &#8220;journals&#8221; in the sense we know them <a href="http://bjoern.brembs.net/news.php?item.540.11" rel="nofollow">may</a> <a href="http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/is-scientific-publishing-about-to-be-disrupted/" rel="nofollow">well</a> <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news166943362.html" rel="nofollow">cease to exist</a> (in fact, already now <a href="http://www.plosmedicine.org/annotation/listThread.action;jsessionid=4818AE1F07198DBA3C7EADDA6A53B7F7?inReplyTo=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2Fb70a4689-cf09-4db6-a97b-8608b87e629e&amp;root=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fannotation%2Fb70a4689-cf09-4db6-a97b-8608b87e629e" rel="nofollow">there is but one journal — the scientific literature</a>), since the open-process handling of submissions will naturally focus on the <a href="http://www.myplick.com/view/cf8qFak4Ymv/Article-Level-Metrics-at-PLoS-and-beyond" rel="nofollow">article level</a> (as long as these exist) and later perhaps on individual submissions to the global knowledge system, and be this a single wiki edit (e.g. via tools like <a href="http://wikitrust.soe.ucsc.edu/" rel="nofollow">WikiTrust</a>). On incremental publishing, see <a href="http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/incremental-and-continuous-a-new-paradigm-for-scientific-publishing/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://michaelnielsen.org/blog/micropublication-and-open-source-research/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://dmm.biologists.org/content/2/5-6/201" rel="nofollow">here</a>. -Internal benefits for journals, general &#8211;given my reservations on the last point, it may be worth considering to exchange the term &#8220;journal&#8221; for something else in this section (I used &#8220;<a href="http://blog.euroscience.org/en/blog/welcome-to-the-euroscientist-246/what-would-science-look-like-if-it-were-invented-today,5061.html" rel="nofollow">public research environment</a>&#8220;), which will obviously affect other aspects of the phrasing -Internal benefits for journals, (1)&#8211;on the feedback loop between productivity and recognition, see <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.1740" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  -Internal benefits for journals, (4) &#8211;Karma system in use at Slashdot may be relevant for this section, see <a href="http://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a>.-Modular process: stages and states&#8211;These stages fit well with text-based disciplines, but there may be more components (overview <a href="http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Components_of_the_scientific_method" rel="nofollow">here</a>) <strong>Typos and phrasing</strong> -production work . Still,-John Wilibanks -what i think ought to done-publish and perish devaluing model. Model-argument even more focused that those in an average 8000 paper are-on whose work the organization relies on -in-dept texts(yes, I would like to subscribe)-or at to have</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mietchen</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mietchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics is the oldest of a whole series of journals published by the European Geosciences Union that use this two-stage public peer review system (for an example discussion, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cosis.net/members/journals/df/article.php?paper=bgd-4-2959&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) and have inspired other journals to follow, e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economics-ejournal.org/about-economics/two-stage-publication-process&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economics&lt;/a&gt;. Technically, there is no problem in extending this 2-stage model to the n-stage model used in version control systems, as the Linux Kernel method implies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics is the oldest of a whole series of journals published by the European Geosciences Union that use this two-stage public peer review system (for an example discussion, see <a href="http://www.cosis.net/members/journals/df/article.php?paper=bgd-4-2959" rel="nofollow">here</a>) and have inspired other journals to follow, e.g. <a href="http://www.economics-ejournal.org/about-economics/two-stage-publication-process" rel="nofollow">Economics</a>. Technically, there is no problem in extending this 2-stage model to the n-stage model used in version control systems, as the Linux Kernel method implies.</p>
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