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	<description>Armed revolutionaries and anarchists hate the state. Social democrats want to be the state. I say we better hack it.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Research Threads to replace special issues by toniprug</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2010/02/28/research-threads-to-replace-special-issues-v0-2/comment-page-1/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>toniprug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grants - some recruitment panels these days recruit based on how much income will a candidate bring in grants personally obtained by the candidate over what the department pays the candidate. Brutal, and in no connection with even a remote idea of enlightenment. Of course, this is also combined with &#039;how much research impact will this candidate bring to the department&#039;. Research impact list, which i saw for the first time yesterday (will try to find electronic copy), provided by UK gov, is something that is too horrifying to find words for it. I need to read it again, and asses it point by point. Overall, it reads like this: &#039;all we, the state, care about is how can you demonstrate your work contributes to business.&#039;. Of course, every written framework, no matter how narrowly aimed, can be hacked. I&#039;ll find the source code first (gov guide i saw).

This, translated to your question, means that without grant acquiring skills, in some areas in university, one has minute, if any, chance of being employed. Couple of issues: this was never mentioned in my six years of education so far (and i only learned about it because i was discussing designing a taught subject on a BA course with a colleague - so, a question of &#039;how do we justify it&#039; arose, hence the research impact). Which means that in some fields, what are the most essential skills for one to be employed in the field one day (finding grants, finding CFPs, publishing in &#039;RIGHT&#039; journals, based on &#039;RIGHT&#039; lists), is never taught. We are left to figure  all of this out on our own. Of course, this is far from being applicable to all fields and all recruitment panels, but the trend is going this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grants &#8211; some recruitment panels these days recruit based on how much income will a candidate bring in grants personally obtained by the candidate over what the department pays the candidate. Brutal, and in no connection with even a remote idea of enlightenment. Of course, this is also combined with &#8216;how much research impact will this candidate bring to the department&#8217;. Research impact list, which i saw for the first time yesterday (will try to find electronic copy), provided by UK gov, is something that is too horrifying to find words for it. I need to read it again, and asses it point by point. Overall, it reads like this: &#8216;all we, the state, care about is how can you demonstrate your work contributes to business.&#8217;. Of course, every written framework, no matter how narrowly aimed, can be hacked. I&#8217;ll find the source code first (gov guide i saw).</p>
<p>This, translated to your question, means that without grant acquiring skills, in some areas in university, one has minute, if any, chance of being employed. Couple of issues: this was never mentioned in my six years of education so far (and i only learned about it because i was discussing designing a taught subject on a BA course with a colleague &#8211; so, a question of &#8216;how do we justify it&#8217; arose, hence the research impact). Which means that in some fields, what are the most essential skills for one to be employed in the field one day (finding grants, finding CFPs, publishing in &#8216;RIGHT&#8217; journals, based on &#8216;RIGHT&#8217; lists), is never taught. We are left to figure  all of this out on our own. Of course, this is far from being applicable to all fields and all recruitment panels, but the trend is going this way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Research Threads to replace special issues by toniprug</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2010/02/28/research-threads-to-replace-special-issues-v0-2/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>toniprug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CFPs - Completely agree. who can provide this central service, and how do you make small journals participate in it, given that they operate on shoe string budget? Best way is to make it worthwhile for them to use the service. Perhaps we need an RFC for standardized CFPs format, which can then be somehow auto-discovered (web crawlers) and made available to readers/subscribers to this service. That relies on the idea of journals formatting their CFPs correctly, which seems far fetched right now, but who knows one day. Or, simply make a central web place for a field to submit papers to, with easy ways to subscribe to feeds based on keywords.

another, bigger issue, is that careers today depend on publishing in the &#039;right&#039;, and not any journals. In the case of business schools, which are an exploding area of growth, there&#039;s a guide for UK, ABS Journal Quality Guide, which lists journals which the association holds relevant to the field, with rankings - available at http://www.the-abs.org.uk/?id=257 . In purely instrumental thinking, if you want a job in business schools, you better publish in those journals. Hence, you better follow their CFPs. Perhaps a bodies like ABS (association of business schools) should be providing the easy way to follow CFPs, given that they dictate where one should publish
in order to be employable in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CFPs &#8211; Completely agree. who can provide this central service, and how do you make small journals participate in it, given that they operate on shoe string budget? Best way is to make it worthwhile for them to use the service. Perhaps we need an RFC for standardized CFPs format, which can then be somehow auto-discovered (web crawlers) and made available to readers/subscribers to this service. That relies on the idea of journals formatting their CFPs correctly, which seems far fetched right now, but who knows one day. Or, simply make a central web place for a field to submit papers to, with easy ways to subscribe to feeds based on keywords.</p>
<p>another, bigger issue, is that careers today depend on publishing in the &#8216;right&#8217;, and not any journals. In the case of business schools, which are an exploding area of growth, there&#8217;s a guide for UK, ABS Journal Quality Guide, which lists journals which the association holds relevant to the field, with rankings &#8211; available at <a href="http://www.the-abs.org.uk/?id=257" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-abs.org.uk/?id=257</a> . In purely instrumental thinking, if you want a job in business schools, you better publish in those journals. Hence, you better follow their CFPs. Perhaps a bodies like ABS (association of business schools) should be providing the easy way to follow CFPs, given that they dictate where one should publish<br />
in order to be employable in the field.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Research Threads to replace special issues by Benjamin Geer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Geer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like a good idea to me.  But you raise another issue, which is that the mechanisms for circulating calls for papers in general (for special issues, conferences or whatever) are really poor.  I usually only find out about CFPs because people I know forward them to me.  There are too many mailing lists, web sites, etc. where CFPs are posted.  What I&#039;d really like is a central web site where I could subscribe to receive CFPs in certain categories, or CFPs that contain certain words.

Come to think of it, I&#039;d like to have the same thing for grants.  I know only one PhD student who actually knows how to look for grants, because she used to work as a fundraiser; I and everyone else I know see this as black magic and are totally clueless about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like a good idea to me.  But you raise another issue, which is that the mechanisms for circulating calls for papers in general (for special issues, conferences or whatever) are really poor.  I usually only find out about CFPs because people I know forward them to me.  There are too many mailing lists, web sites, etc. where CFPs are posted.  What I&#8217;d really like is a central web site where I could subscribe to receive CFPs in certain categories, or CFPs that contain certain words.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, I&#8217;d like to have the same thing for grants.  I know only one PhD student who actually knows how to look for grants, because she used to work as a fundraiser; I and everyone else I know see this as black magic and are totally clueless about it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open-process academic publishing by Open Access Publishing in Philosophy &#124; thinkingshop.com - The idea space</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Access Publishing in Philosophy &#124; thinkingshop.com - The idea space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in their research in myriad ways.  For a detailed argument in this direction see the following Hackthestate blog entry. It seems odd that philosophy, usually a pioneer in new ideas, is staunchly reluctant to consider [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Open-process Academic Publishing by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/12/16/open-process-academic-publishing-v1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the whole idea quite interesting, and the fact that it works for softwares can certainly give us hopes. A few points though:

1. I wouldn&#039;t emphasise as much the software paradigm, and would probably scrap the part &quot;What if software were developed through closed models&quot;. I don&#039;t think it brings a lot to the discussion of publication, except to show that open processes are successful in programming.

2. The speed of innovation is not as clear cut... True, opensource softwares have been at the hear of important innovations. But commercial companies also have been very quick to foster major developments... They also have more focus on usability/GUI than open source contributors might do.

3. I am also at the LSE (Economics) and have certainly been given the opposite advice: to be bold and daring! So no generalisation... it&#039;s probably highly dependant on the topic, and its internal dynamism (the two issues being obviously linked in both directions).

4. Also, I think one point that you do not mention at all is the potential unintended consequences of non-anonymous refereeing.

In a given specialty, there are not that many people worldwide that can comment. It means that people working on the same topic as you are going to be people you interact repeatedly within your career.
If you are not anonymous anymore, and you get rejected for (what you believe to be) the wrong reason, you&#039;d probably be mad at the referee and will want to reject his next work... In the long term, it&#039;s probably for the quality of the research if it&#039;s very hard to publish and everyone tries to shoot down bad ideas, but one also needs to think about the incentives on the writer&#039;s side... If it&#039;s so hard, maybe it&#039;s not that fun as a career.
The argumetn goes also the way around: if you have to ref someone who is known to be influential (not necess. for publication but for other academic issues), you might not want to reject that person if you are going to apply to his university for instance.

Just to say that these &quot;reputation&quot; issue should be taken into account when considering non-anonymous refereeing, which is part of the Open-Process you propose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the whole idea quite interesting, and the fact that it works for softwares can certainly give us hopes. A few points though:</p>
<p>1. I wouldn&#8217;t emphasise as much the software paradigm, and would probably scrap the part &#8220;What if software were developed through closed models&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think it brings a lot to the discussion of publication, except to show that open processes are successful in programming.</p>
<p>2. The speed of innovation is not as clear cut&#8230; True, opensource softwares have been at the hear of important innovations. But commercial companies also have been very quick to foster major developments&#8230; They also have more focus on usability/GUI than open source contributors might do.</p>
<p>3. I am also at the LSE (Economics) and have certainly been given the opposite advice: to be bold and daring! So no generalisation&#8230; it&#8217;s probably highly dependant on the topic, and its internal dynamism (the two issues being obviously linked in both directions).</p>
<p>4. Also, I think one point that you do not mention at all is the potential unintended consequences of non-anonymous refereeing.</p>
<p>In a given specialty, there are not that many people worldwide that can comment. It means that people working on the same topic as you are going to be people you interact repeatedly within your career.<br />
If you are not anonymous anymore, and you get rejected for (what you believe to be) the wrong reason, you&#8217;d probably be mad at the referee and will want to reject his next work&#8230; In the long term, it&#8217;s probably for the quality of the research if it&#8217;s very hard to publish and everyone tries to shoot down bad ideas, but one also needs to think about the incentives on the writer&#8217;s side&#8230; If it&#8217;s so hard, maybe it&#8217;s not that fun as a career.<br />
The argumetn goes also the way around: if you have to ref someone who is known to be influential (not necess. for publication but for other academic issues), you might not want to reject that person if you are going to apply to his university for instance.</p>
<p>Just to say that these &#8220;reputation&#8221; issue should be taken into account when considering non-anonymous refereeing, which is part of the Open-Process you propose.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open-process academic publishing by WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#124; darkmatter Journal</title>
		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#124; darkmatter Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</p>
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		<link>http://hackthestate.org/2009/12/11/objects-of-communism-state-form-hacks-v06/comment-page-1/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is open implementation of facebook-like social network - it&#039;s called gNewBook: http://gnewbook.org/. At the moment it&#039;s in beta and in Spanish only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is open implementation of facebook-like social network &#8211; it&#8217;s called gNewBook: <a href="http://gnewbook.org/" rel="nofollow">http://gnewbook.org/</a>. At the moment it&#8217;s in beta and in Spanish only.</p>
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		<dc:creator>WordPress as Academic Journal Software? &#171; anti-babel &#8211; sanjay sharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to developing alternative peer review processes. And here I&#8217;m inspired by the intervention of Toni Prug &#8211; Open-process academic publishing for interrogating the conservative, closed nature of academic peer review, and thinking through [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Open-process academic publishing by OA journals discussion &#171; Hyper tiling</title>
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		<dc:creator>OA journals discussion &#171; Hyper tiling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://tomkow.typepad.com/tomkowcom/2008/06/open-resource-p.html http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://tomkow.typepad.com/tomkowcom/2008/06/open-resource-p.html" rel="nofollow">http://tomkow.typepad.com/tomkowcom/2008/06/open-resource-p.html</a> <a href="http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/" rel="nofollow">http://hackthestate.org/2009/07/27/open-process-academic-publishing/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open-process academic publishing by Daniel Mietchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Mietchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just to let you know that I am writing up a &lt;a href=&quot;http://ways.org/en/blogs/2009/sep/14/invitation_to_an_experiment_collaborative_writing_of_a_blog_post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; on a related topic, in a collaborative way that may be of interest to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just to let you know that I am writing up a <a href="http://ways.org/en/blogs/2009/sep/14/invitation_to_an_experiment_collaborative_writing_of_a_blog_post" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> on a related topic, in a collaborative way that may be of interest to you.</p>
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